Intatheli yaseMpumalanga Afrika uProf. uDokotela Wolfgang H. Thome uhlale phansi noMongameli waseZambia uRupiah Banda eMunyonyo Commonwealth Resort esanda kuba nengxoxo yehora lonke mayelana nemboni yezokuvakasha yaseZambia.
eTN: Ake ngiqale ngikubonge, Mnu. President, ngokwenza isikhathi sibe khona sokukhuluma ne-eTN mayelana nemboni yezokuvakasha eZambia. Izwe lakini labamba i-Smart Partnership Dialogue yokugcina ngonyaka odlule, imuphi umthelela lowo mhlangano futhi yiziphi izinguquko ezenzekile noma ezimila izimpande eZambia ngenxa yalokho?
UMongameli u-Rupiah Banda: Ngempela ubudlelwano bokugcina obuhlakaniphile benziwa e-Zambia ngonyaka odlule. Kusukela lapho sibe nezingqungquthela eziningi, okuhlanganisa ne-'Indaba' okusho ukuthi “ingqungquthela yabantu” ukudingida izisombululo ezihlakaniphile ezinkingeni zomnotho iZambia ebhekene nazo. Kwafika abantu abangaphezu kuka-600, kuhlanganise nezikhulumi ezivela eMauritius naseMalaysia, kanye noMongameli weBhange Lomhlaba, futhi kwaba nomphumela omuhle. Eminye imihlangano yokulandelela ibone izinhloko zezwe eza eZambia zizodingida ikakhulukazi ingqalasizinda kanye nokunciphisa lokho engikubiza ngokuthi ukuhlukana phakathi kwamazwe ethu esifundeni. Sibheke imigwaqo, amagridi kagesi, izinsiza zemingcele kanye nokuphathwa. Kulo mhlangano samukele nabalingani bethu bentuthuko kanye nabangane abavela phesheya, okuhlanganisa i-USA, amazwe e-EU namanye. Umphumela waba isithembiso esingaphezu kwesigidigidi saseMelika samadola aseMelika ekusekelweni kwentuthuko ukuze kubhekwane nesidingo sokuqinisa ingqalasizinda exhumanisa amazwe ethu. Njengohulumeni sesiphinde saphasisa imithethosivivinywa eminingi eyenza sikwazi, okuhlanganisa noMthethosivivinywa we-ICT, ukuze kwandiswe utshalomali kulo mkhakha futhi sisuke ekulawuleni umbuso siye ezinkampanini ezizimele. Asithandi ukuqhubeka nokuxhasa amabhizinisi kahulumeni alahlekelwayo ngakho-ke sibheke ekusebenzisaneni nemboni ezimele.
çeTN: Yini ngokubona kwakho eyenza iZambia ibe indawo eyingqayizivele yezokuvakasha?
UMongameli Banda: IZambia ihluke kakhulu ngendawo ekuyo. Asivalekile futhi sinomakhelwane abangu-11, ngakho lapho abantu bekhuluma “ngendawo,” iZambia iba munye ngempela. Lesi sikhundla sendawo, sinikezwe inala yezinsiza. Lokhu kuyiqiniso ngezimbiwa, cishe zonke izimbiwa ezinkulu ezitholakala futhi zimbiwa eZambia, ngaphandle kukawoyela, kodwa sisabheka abatshalizimali nakulowo mkhakha. Futhi izindawo zethu ezihehayo zemvelo, izindawo ezinkulu cishe ezingakathintwa, okuhlanganisa neziqiwi eziningi, ezinabantu abangaphezu kwezigidi eziyi-19 kuphela abahlala ezweni lakithi. Sinemvula eyanele ukusekela ezolimo, futhi izivakashi zingathola amachibi nemifula eminingi ezweni lakithi. Okubaluleke kakhulu, okusikhanga kakhulu yiVictoria Falls iningi layo elitholakala eZambia. Sesinamapaki ezilwane angu-XNUMX kanye nezilwane eziningi kunamazwe amaningi ase-Afrika kuhlanganise “namakhulu amahlanu.” Umthetho uvikela izilwane zasendle, ngakho abantu abeza eZambia bangabona ingwe, ibhubesi, inyathi, izindlulamithi, izindlovu, izimvubu nezingwenya ngaphandle kwezinkinga. Futhi okubaluleke kakhulu, sinokuthula ezweni lakithi, izivakashi zingaya noma yikuphi ngaphandle kokuvikelwa okukhethekile futhi ngeke zizithole zikunoma iyiphi ingozi.
eTN: Kuzona zonke lezi zindawo ezihehayo, yini evimbela izivakashi eziningi ukuthi zivakashele eZambia, wukungabi bikho kwezindiza ezanele eziya eLusaka, yimali yama-visa, izindleko zokungena epaki, i-bureaucracy kanye nezindleko emingceleni, ukuntuleka kokukhangisa? Lapha eMpumalanga Afrika ohulumeni bethu banciphise imali yama-visa kanye nemali yokungena epaki ukuze bahehe izivakashi eziningi, siyini isixazululo saseZambia.
UMongameli Banda: Esikwenzayo ukubhekana nokushoda kolwazi emhlabeni mayelana neZambia futhi sizama ukwakha izikhungo zezivakashi ezisezingeni lomhlaba. Ngokwesibonelo, sineVictoria Falls, kodwa bambalwa abantu abaziyo ukuthi singase sibe nezimpophoma eziyinkulungwane ezweni. Imifula namachibi ethu agcwele izinhlanzi ezingaheha izivakashi, izwe lethu linikeza ama-safaris ezithombe kodwa futhi nokuzingela. Sihlele izindawo zethu eziwudedangendlale ngendlela yokuthi sibe neziqiwu, lapho kungekho khona ukuzingelwa noma ukuphazamiseka okuvunyelwe ukuvikela izilwane, sibe nezindawo zokuzingela noma ama-GMA (izindawo zokuphatha izilwane) kulabo abezayo. ukuzingela izilwane.
Ukuntuleka kokumaketha okuhle akulethi izivakashi eziningi eZambia, ngakho abantu abaningi abaphesheya abazi okwanele ngeZambia nezinto zayo ezihehayo. Siyizwe elikhulu elinamakhilomitha-skwele angaphezu kuka-700,000 wendawo futhi izivakashi zamukelekile ukuthola zonke izingxenye zeZambia. Kodwa ngalokho sidinga nezinsiza yonke indawo. Uhulumeni wami usenezinyanga eziyi-8 kuphela futhi sinaka lesi sici, izindawo zokulala, amahhotela, nezikhumulo zezindiza ngisho nasezindaweni ezikude kakhulu. Kodwa ngisho nezindaba zemingcele sizinakile; sizolungisa le mithetho ngoba sidinga izivakashi ngaphezu kwalokho ezisidingayo. Sifuna abantu bakithi bamamatheke futhi bamukeleke. Mayelana nezimali ezikhokhwayo, sesivele siqalile ukunciphisa lezi zimali. Sikhetha ukuthi uze ezweni lakithi uzosebenzisa imali yakho ezweni esikhundleni sokuyichitha ezindlekweni emngceleni.
I-eTN: Ingabe ezokuvakasha, imboni esemqoka kwezomnotho kuhulumeni wakho, futhi uma kunjalo, yiziphi izinzuzo nezinqubomgomo zokutshalwa kwezimali uhulumeni wakho azibekele ukukhuthaza ukubamba iqhaza ngokulinganayo kwabantu baseZambia ekuthuthukisweni kwalo mkhakha, ngaphandle kokuheha Ukutshalwa Kwezimali Ngamazwe Angaphandle?
UMongameli Banda: Ngokujwayelekile sibheke ebudlelwaneni bomphakathi obuzimele, sikhuthaza ukutshalwa kwezimali kwamanye amazwe kanye nangaphakathi kweZambia. Abantu abaningi baseZambia abakwazi ukwakha izinsiza ezisezingeni lomhlaba ngezinsiza zabo zamanje, ngakho-ke sibakhuthaze ukuthi basebenzisane nalabo abakwaziyo, kodwa futhi sakha isikhwama sokuthuthukisa esibiza ngaphezu kwezigidigidi eziyi-150 zama-kwacha (US$29.5 million), abantu baseZambia abangasithola ukuze bathole uxhaso lwembewu. amaphrojekthi anjalo njengezindawo zokulala ezincane. Futhi lapho izinkampani ezinkulu zamazwe ngamazwe zisungula izindawo zokungcebeleka namahhotela, lokho kuhle nasezweni lakithi, ngoba kubhekwe ukutshalwa kwezimali okunjalo futhi abantu bayayiqaphela iZambia. Siyabamukela abavakashi futhi ngekhono labo lokwakha inethiwekhi yabantu bakithi eZambia, njengokuthi uma behamba nge-safari nabaqondisi babo, benza abangane, abanye bayamenywa futhi baxhaswe ukuyofunda phesheya, abanye basungula izinkampani ndawonye, ngakho ezokuvakasha ziyindlela. ukuvula izwe ngendlela ezoletha izinzuzo ezinkulu.
eTN: Ingabe i-Zambia Tourist Board yenza okwanele ukukhangisa izwe phesheya, futhi okubaluleke kakhulu, ingabe inaso isabelomali esidingekayo ukufeza imisebenzi yayo?
UMongameli Banda: Ibhodi lethu labavakashi liyakuqonda okufanele kwenziwe, kodwa kusobala ukuthi isabelomali asikeneli, ikakhulukazi ngezikhathi zomnotho ezinzima njengamanje. Kodwa nokho, sinyusile uxhaso lwezokuvakasha, ngoba sibonile ukuthi kungenye indlela enhle uma siqhathaniswa nesezimayini neminye imikhakha.
eTN: Ngonyaka ozayo, i-FIFA World Cup iza e-Afrika okokuqala ngqa. Ngabe iZambia ihlose ukuzuza kanjani endaweni yangakubo eNingizimu Afrika futhi ihehe izivakashi ukuthi zibone iVictoria Falls namapaki ezilwane ngaphambi nangemuva komcimbi omkhulu?
UMongameli Banda: uma ngikhuluma iqiniso, amalungiselelo angokwenyama afana nokwakha izinkundla, okungakenzeki, ngakho-ke ngeke sikwazi ukumema amaqembu ukuthi azohlala nathi futhi aziqeqeshe eZambia. Kodwa kubavakashi, bangafika kalula eNingizimu Afrika futhi basivakashele. Kuyimizuzu engu-90 kuphela indiza esuka eGoli iya e-Livingstone, ngakho abavakashi beNdebe Yomhlaba bangathatha usuku noma ezimbili futhi bandize ukuze babone izimpophoma, noma bahlale isikhashana, futhi sesinamahhotela amahle kakhulu, izindawo zokulala nezindawo zokungcebeleka. e-Livingstone yezivakashi zethu zakwamanye amazwe nokunye kuyakhiwa noma kuhlelwe yonke indawo lapho izivakashi zingafuna ukuya kuzo futhi zizivakashele.
eTN: Lapha eMpumalanga Afrika sizama ukusungula indawo eyodwa ye-Visa ukuze izivakashi zivakashe zithengeke, iZambia iwubheka kanjani umzamo onje ngaphakathi kwe-SADC futhi ikakhulukazi omakhelwane bayo abaseduze, bonke abayizindawo zokuvakasha?
President Banda: Kuyiqiniso lokho, i-Visa iseyinkinga kodwa izinhlaka zethu zezifunda ezifana ne-SADC (Southern Africa Development Community) kanye ne-EAC (East African Community) kanye ne-COMESA (Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa) ziyayilungisa le nkinga ukuze iqhamuke. ngesixazululo. Kufanele senze kube lula ngezivakashi ukuthi zize zizobona amazwe angaphezu kwelilodwa esifundeni futhi singachithi imali eningi ukuze uthole i-visa. Bonke omakhelwane bethu banemboni yezokuvakasha futhi ngokubambisana singathuthukisa ingqalasizinda yethu eminingi futhi sinikeze izivakashi izinsizakalo ezingcono.
I-eTN: Uhlobo lwezokuvakasha olusekelwe ezilwaneni zasendle amazwe amaningi ase-Afrika alukhangisayo ngokusobala ludinga izinombolo zezilwane ezinkulu. Sivame ukuzwa ngenkinga yokuzingela ngokungemthetho ezindaweni eziseNingizimu ne-Afrika, ikakhulukazi eZimbabwe kodwa okusobala ukuthi naseZambia. Ithini inqubomgomo kahulumeni wakho yokugqugquzela ukongiwa kwezilwane zasendle, ukumisa ukuzingelwa ngokungemthetho kanye nokudala izixazululo ezisimeme ezinseleleni ezibangelwa ukwanda kwabantu kanye nesidingo sokuhlalisana kwezidingo zokongiwa kwemvelo nokuthuthukiswa komnotho, abantu nezilwane zasendle?
President Banda: Yebo, ukuzingela ngokungemthetho kuseyindaba enkulu kwezinye izindawo kodwa sinemithetho eqinile futhi singayiqinisa uma kudingeka. Sizibophezele ekuvikeleni izilwane zasendle eziqiwini futhi uma sithola abantu bezingela ngokungemthetho bayajeziswa. Kodwa futhi udinga ukukhumbula, iZambia kwakuyikhaya layo yonke imibutho yenkululeko kulo lonke elaseNingizimu Afrika futhi ngenxa yezinye zezinto ezishiywe ngemuva nangendlela abantu abenza ngayo izinto ngaleso sikhathi, sinenkinga, kodwa siqinile. ukubhekana nakho futhi sivikele izilwane zasendle ngendlela esingakwazi ngayo.
eTN: Ngifunde ukuthi inhlangano yenu elawula izilwane zasendle i-ZAWA icishe yanikela ngokunikeza iziqiwi eziningi zamapaki kubatshalizimali abakhulu; ingabe leyo ngxenye yenqubomgomo kahulumeni nokuthi yimaphi amathuba akhona noma adalelwe abantu baseZambia abajwayelekile ukuthi bangene kuleli bhizinisi ukuze bavumele amabhizinisi amancane naphakathi nawo ukuthi achume?
President Banda: EZambia sifuna amathuba kubantu baseZambia kanye nabatshalizimali bakwamanye amazwe. Uhulumeni wami uzimisele ukunikeza amathuba otshalomali oluzimele kuwo wonke amazinga kanye nakuwo wonke amagumbi ezwe. Kunamapaki amaningi acishe angenazo izinsiza futhi lokho kufanele kushintshe uma sifuna ukuthola izivakashi eziningi ezizovakasha.
eTN: Ukulandela i-ZAWA uma kungenzeka, ababambiqhaza bezokuvakasha eZambia babonakala benobudlelwano obungesihle nabo, mayelana nokukhushulwa kwamanani entengo, ukuntuleka kwentuthuko yengqalasizinda ngaphakathi nangaphandle kwamapaki, ngenxa yokwanda kwemvume yezinkampani ezinkulu zamazwe ngamazwe. Isiphi isinyathelo uhulumeni wakho asithathayo ukwandisa izinzuzo kubantu baseZambia, umnotho waseZambia kanye nokusimama kwesikhathi eside?
UMongameli Banda: Sesike sakhuluma ngesikhwama sokuhlomisa esikhona kubantu baseZambia futhi kukhona okunye ukubambisana okungenzeka futhi okutholakala phakathi kosomabhizinisi ngokuqondile ngisho nangobambiswano lukahulumeni oluzimele. Singuhulumeni sizibophezele ekuletheni intuthuko ngisho nasemkhakheni wezokuvakasha.
eTN: UMengameli uMuseveni ngesikhathi evula inkulumo yakhe wakubeka kwacaca ukuthi ngaphandle kwengqalasizinda eqinile yonke imizamo yokuheha abatshalizimali ukuze kuthuthukiswe izimboni icishe ibe yize. Lapha e-Uganda kule minyaka emibili edlule siqale ukubuyekezwa kwenqubomgomo enkulu mayelana nokulungiswa kwemigwaqo nojantshi kanye nokuphehlwa kukagesi. Uhulumeni wakho ulusukumela kanjani lolu daba olubucayi, phela uma ingekho imigwaqo emihle izivakashi azikwazi ukufinyelela eziqiwini?
President Banda: Lena yinselelo enkulu emazweni amaningi okuhlanganisa neZambia kodwa sesiqale ngohlelo lomgwaqo futhi kuningi esisazokwenza. Kukhona nodaba lwezindawo eziphehla ugesi namagridi kagesi, esikhuluma ngawo njengesifunda futhi sisebenza nasezikhumulweni zezindiza nasezindaweni zezindiza ezikwezinye izingxenye zezwe ukuze sithuthukise noma sakhe ukuze sibe nezivakashi nabantu bakithi abathuthayo. kalula ukusuka kwenye ingxenye yeZambia kuya kwenye. Bese izivakashi zingakhetha ukushayela noma ukundiza noma kokubili, noma yini ezilungele.
eTN: Kunesisho esithi, “itourism iwukuthula kanti ukuthula kuyitourism,” sekunesikhathi eside kunombango eZimbabwe kanti imboni yezokuvakasha ebikade iphumelela isicishe yabhidlika. Lokhu kumele ukuthi kuthinte neZambia. Ngabe uhulumeni wakho ubhekana kanjani nalolu daba olubalulekile lwesifunda ukuze kuqalwe ezokuvakasha futhi kwandiswe amathuba okuqashwa kanye nokuthola imali yangaphandle eZambia kanye nomakhelwane bayo?
UMongameli Banda: Noma yiziphi izinkinga endaweni yangakini nazo ziyakuthinta. Besizama ukuthola isixazululo sezinkinga ezinjena ngaphakathi esifundeni ngoba izixazululo zangaphandle azifanelekile ngempela, izixazululo zidinga ukwamukelwa nokwamukelwa yilabo abathintekayo nabathintekayo. Siyajabula eZambia ukubona inqubekelaphambili yenziwa ukuze kufezeke lokho ngoba isifunda esiphumelelayo siletha izinzuzo kuwo wonke umuntu. Mayelana neZambia, sibonga ngokuphila ngokuthula futhi sifisa ukubona wonke amazwe asizungezile ephila ngokuthula. Ubuze ngezokuvakasha eZimbabwe nalapho kungekho zivakashi ezifika khona nathi asiziboni. Ngakho-ke ukusebenza kahle kwezokuvakasha eZimbabwe nanoma yimuphi umakhelwane wethu kuzoyilungela iZambia futhi, futhi ngizwa izinto ziqhubeka kahle okuyinto enhle newuphawu lokuthi usizo lwesifunda luphumelele.
eTN: Sekuzofika esiphethweni, ngokwezigaba zami ezehlukene ukuthuthukiswa kwabasebenzi, ukudluliswa kwamakhono kanye nokwakhiwa kwemisebenzi kuyinsika empilweni yami yobungcweti, lezi zingxenye zidlala yiphi indima eZambia, unalo ikolishi lokufundela izivakashi kanye nokuqeqesha ezokuvakasha, umsebenzi wezandla. izikimu zokuqeqesha kanye nezinhlelo zokuthuthukisa imisebenzi ukuze kuvuleke amathuba emisebenzi entsheni yaseZambia efisa ukungena emkhakheni wezokuvakasha?
UMongameli Banda: Lena kuseyinselelo yangempela eseZambia, sidinga ukwenza okwengeziwe mayelana nokuqeqeshwa kwemisebenzi, izindawo zokuqeqesha, amakolishi njll. Siyazi ngempumelelo ka-Utalii eKenya futhi siyazidinga ngempela izikhungo ezifanayo ukuze siqeqeshe abantu abasha bethu. Kudingeka bafunde ubizo lwabo nemisebenzi yezandla ukuze bakwazi ukuqhathanisa nezindinganiso zakwamanye amazwe asizungezile, bakwazi ngisho nokusebenza phesheya njengabangaphandle. Ngizwa abantu abaningi baseKenya ngisho nabase-Uganda sebesebenza phesheya ngemuva kokuthola ukuqeqeshwa okuhle ekhaya kuqala, ngakho lokho kuyinto ebalulekile kithina eZambia. Singalwamukela kalula usizo lwabangane bethu esifundeni nakwamanye amazwe ngoba ukuqeqeshwa okuhle namakhono kunikeza intsha yethu ithuba lokuthola umsebenzi omuhle nokwakha imisebenzi. Uthe ungusihlalo wesikole samahhotela e-Uganda, ngakho-ke noma yiluphi usizo luzokwamukeleka futhi sivulekile ukwenza lula lolo sizo namathuba egameni lentsha yethu. Ukubathumela phesheya ukuze bayoqeqeshwa kungaba abambalwa kuphela, ngakho-ke sifisa ukwakha umthamo ngaphakathi kweZambia ukuze sihlangabezane nalezo zidingo zokuqeqeshwa.
eTN: Okokugcina, ngabe zonke izingxenye ezinhle, izinhlelo zokusebenza kanye nokungenelela okhulume ngakho kuzoba khona ngaphambi kweNdebe yoMhlaba yeFIFA ukuze kuthele izithelo ezinhle eZambia futhi kumemezele izinguquko eziningi embonini ezimele yezokuvakasha ezweni lakini?
President Banda: Njengoba ngike ngasho phambilini, angeke sibe nenkundla yamaqembu angaphandle kodwa sinezinto eziningi ezihehayo futhi silindele izivakashi eziningi ukuthi zizovakashela iVictoria Falls ngaphambi, ngesikhathi nangemva kwendebe yomhlaba. Ibhodi lethu labavakashi lizosebenzela ukwenza iZambia yaziwe kangcono ukuze sikwazi ukusizakala ngezinsiza esivele sinazo, amahhotela, izindawo zokulala zohambo kanye nezindawo zokungcebeleka. Mayelana nazo zonke ezinye izinto esikhulume ngazo, uhulumeni wami uhamba ngokushesha ngangokunokwenzeka, kodwa izinto azenzeki ngokuphazima kweso, ingqalasizinda ithatha isikhathi ukuhlela nokwakha. Kubalandeli bebhola abeza eNingizimu Afrika, bamukelekile ukuthi bavakashele neZambia futhi ngokwejwayelekile sibheke ngabomvu ukuthi imboni yethu yezokuvakasha ivuleke kakhulu futhi ilethe izivakashi eziningi ezweni lethu.
