Uma ufuna ukwenza ibhizinisi e-Afrika, ungayi lapho! Okungenani kuze kube yilapho usuhambele iNgqungquthela Yezamabhizinisi yase-US-Afrika ka-2009 eWashington, DC ngasekupheleni kukaSepthemba. Kulowo mcimbi uzohlangana nabantu abangaphezu kuka-2,000 okuhlanganisa abaholi bamabhizinisi, ongqongqoshe, amalungu ekhabhinethi, futhi mhlawumbe noMongameli wase-United States. Ngemuva kwalokho udinga ukujoyina inhlangano ebhekele ingqungquthela: The Corporate Council on Africa. Manje usukulungele ukuyokwenza ibhizinisi e-Afrika!
Namuhla, sino-Sandy Dhuyvetter we-Travel Talk Radio oqhuba ingxoxo no-Stephen Hayes, umongameli kanye ne-CEO ye-The Corporate Council on Africa.
USandy Dhuyvetter: Sinomuntu ohlale embukisweni kaningi, futhi angikwazi ukukutshela inani lethrafikhi aliletha kuwebhusayithi. Nonke nithanda kakhulu i-Afrika, futhi nonke nithanda kakhulu i-Corporate Council on Africa, futhi sonke sijabule kakhulu ukuba nathi umongameli kanye ne-CEO, uStephen Hayes. UseWashington, DC ubuya eKenya nase-Ethiopia futhi, phela, ngizwile ukuthi usanda kudla isidlo sakusihlwa no-Hillary Clinton, ngakho sizombuza ngalokho, futhi. Siyabonga, Stephen, ngokuhlanganyela nathi futhi.
UStephen Hayes: Ngihlale ngijabule kuSandy; kubona mina.
Sandy: Kuhle impela ukuba nawe ohlelweni. Nenze umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu ekusifundiseni nasekusijabuliseni nase-Afrika. Kuningi okungakhulunywa ngakho. Leli zwekazi likhulu, futhi bengibuka ikhasi lethu lasekhaya ku-TravelTalkRADIO.com. Sidlale umdlalo othi "Okungcono kakhulu" esikhathini esingengakanani edlule futhi, impela, ubulapho phezulu eshadini. Ngakho-ke ushiwo, ngicabanga ukuthi unezigaba ezi-3 ezihlukene ekhasini eliyisiqalo ngakho-ke, siyakuhalalisela!
Hayes: Kuhle lokho!
Sandy: Yebo, futhi ngifuna ukusho ukuthi sizoba nombhalo walokhu ngakho uma uthanda ukuwufunda, sizoba nawo. Phela, wamukelekile ekhaya. UbuseKenya e-Ethiopia?
Hayes: Kunjalo, bengikhona kwiforamu yaminyaka yonke ye-AGOA, okuyi-Africa Growth and Opportunity Act. Sibe yingxenye ebalulekile yalokho; sahola inkundla yezinkampani ezizimele ngalokho. Isithangami se-AGOA empeleni siwumhlangano wongqongqoshe, bonke ongqongqoshe bezohwebo abavela kuyo yonke i-Afrika, kanye nethimba lezikhulu zase-US. Kulokhu, ithimba laseMelika beliholwa nguHillary Clinton.
Sandy: Kanti ubukhona, ngizwe kuthiwa udle naye?
Hayes: Hhayi-ke, sadla naye isidlo sakusihlwa ngaphambi kokuthi ahambe. Ubize abayishumi, ngicabanga ukuthi, abeluleki noma ngabe yini ofuna ukuyibiza, ukuthi bazodla naye isidlo sakusihlwa ngaphambi kokuba ahambe eWashington ngale eMnyangweni Wezwe. Ngakho, saba nesidlo sakusihlwa samahora amabili ukuze sixoxe ngohambo lwakhe lwase-Afrika kanye nezindaba ngamunye wethu ayecabanga ukuthi kufanele aziveze lapho elapho futhi okwakudingeka ngempela azilungise. Ngakho-ke, kwakuyisidlo sakusihlwa esihle kakhulu, futhi ngaba nenhlanhla yokuba nesihlalo eduze kwakhe. Ngakho, kwakuyisidlo sakusihlwa esihle kakhulu.
Sandy: Kuhle, futhi umthole ethandeka?
Hayes: Yebo, ngikwenzile. Ngamthola engumuntu kakhulu. Ngaliqonda izinga lokwesekwa analo, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi uzokwenza uNobhala Wezwe omkhulu.
Sandy: Kubukeka kanjalo. Uyazi, engikuthola kuthakazelisa kakhulu [ukuthi] sibe noMongameli Obama muva nje eGhana. Yebo, sinoNobhala wethu Wezwe uClinton eKenya. Kubukeka sengathi kubhekwe lukhulu e-Afrika njengamanje.
Hayes: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele kube nazo zonke izinhlobo zezizathu. UNobhala Wombuso waya emazweni ayisikhombisa, futhi ngiyazi wathi uzinikele kakhulu e-Afrika kunangaphambi kokuba aluqale uhambo, esebuyile. Kukhona ngempela izidingo zamandla. Wonke umuntu uyazi ukuthi, iningi labantu liyazi, ukuthi i-Afrika izohlinzeka cishe ngamaphesenti angama-25 ezidingo zethu zamandla. Ngakho, lokho kwenza i-Afrika ibaluleke kithi ngokwezomnotho nje. Kodwa, ngicabanga ukuthi uma kubhekwa umnotho kanye nezinselelo esinazo emnothweni wethu manje, ngicabanga ukuthi i-Afrika inikeza enye yezimakethe ezintsha ezihamba phambili emhlabeni wonke, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ubudlelwano obukhulu bebhizinisi base-US-Afrika bungasiza izwekazi lonke. ye-Afrika kanye namazwe angama-53 akuyo, kanye ne-United States.
Sandy: Uyazi uthe u-25% wamandla azoqhamuka e-Afrika. Ngabe lokho kuse-US?
UStephen Hayes: E-US. Kulungile.
Sandy: Kuyathakazelisa kakhulu. Kuyoba njani lokho? Ngabe lokho kuzoba kwi-solar noma…?
Hayes: Cha, ngiqonde emafutheni. Izidingo zethu zikawoyela… Amaphesenti angama-25 aqhamuka e-Afrika. Futhi ngakho, lokho kwenza lokho kunikezwa kubaluleke. Kungenzeka ukuthi lokho kungakhula ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, futhi. Ikakhulukazi, futhi, uma siya kugesi yemvelo. I-Afrika inemithombo emikhulu yemithombo yegesi yemvelo. Ngakho-ke, sizoncika e-Afrika ngezidingo zethu zamandla amashumi eminyaka ambalwa.
Sandy: Uyazi, ngibonile lapho ngithi “ilanga,” angazi ukuthi [umuntu] angawudlulisela kanjani amandla elanga, kodwa ngokuqinisekile amandla elanga angaba mkhulu lapho, futhi, kubonakala sengathi.
Hayes: Mayelana nezidingo zamandla e-Afrika uqobo, sekuvele kukhona ukuhlolwa kwamandla elanga. Kusenzima ukwehlisa intengo kagesi welanga uma kuqhathaniswa nezinye izinhlobo zendabuko, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele kube yingxenye yekusasa, ikakhulukazi e-Afrika. Ngakho-ke yebo, kunethuba elihle lalabo bantu abatshala imali yelanga, ikakhulukazi maqondana ne-Afrika. Kodwa izidingo zamandla e-Afrika zizoba zinkulu kakhulu, ngakho-ke ukuze bakwazi ukuthenga amandla, kuzodingeka badayise amandla ngokwemigomo [ya] kawoyela evamile, bese betshala kwezinye izinhlobo zamandla ukuze bazitholele ngokwabo. ukusetshenziswa.
Sandy: Uma ucabanga ngaleyo mibandela, phakathi neminyaka eyishumi, izwekazi lingase libe namandla kakhulu, akunjalo?
Hayes: Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi ngokwezomnotho yizwekazi elinamandla amakhulu, cishe nganoma yini. Ngokwezithameli zakho zendabuko zomkhakha wezokuvakasha, kungaphezu nje kokukhulu kwamathuba [akhona] kunoma yiliphi izwe. I-Ethiopia inamandla amakhulu okuvakasha angakasetshenziswa nokunye. Amandla ezomnotho ase-Afrika makhulu, kodwa kusafanele banqobe izithiyo ezimbalwa ukuze bahlangabezane nalolo khono.
Sandy: Iqiniso. Sisebenza kakhulu ne-Ethiopian Airlines, futhi angazi noma ngabe usunalo yini ithuba lokundindiza, kodwa isigqoko sami siya kubo Baligcinile lelo zwe ndawonye, benza futhi bagcina imizila ihamba hhayi okuningi. yabagibeli, ekuqinisekiseni ukuthi isibhakabhaka esivulekile okungenani emhlabeni wabo, sihlale sivulekile. Ingabe unenkinga uma unqamula ukuya e-Afrika kufanele ungene futhi uphume?
Hayes: Hhayi-ke, njengoba bengilokhu ngiya emachwebeni amakhulu, kodwa uma uzama ukusuka [usuka] kwelinye izwe uye kwelinye, kunzima kakhulu. Ngiyajabula ukuthi usho okwenzile nge-Ethiopian Airlines; Ngicabanga ukuthi bangabanye abahamba phambili e-Afrika. I-Ethiopian Airlines, i-Kenya Airlines, ne-South African Airways zonke zingamalungu e-The Corporate Council, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi zonke zisebenza kahle kakhulu, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi ikakhulukazi, kamuva nje, i-Ethiopian Airlines iyinkampani yezindiza ephethwe kahle kakhulu. Ngicabanga ukuthi basanda kuwina umklomelo omkhulu eLondon...
Sandy: Oh kuhle! Uma uke waya e-Afrika, uyazi kahle ukuthi ngiqonde ukuthini. Idabula izintambo zenhliziyo yakho. Yinto efika nje kuwe. Ikhula kuwe. Uqala ukuyithanda, futhi akukho nje ukujikela emuva. Ngibe nohambo lwami lwesishiyagalombili lokuya e-Afrika. Futhi sikhuluma noStephen Hayes. Stephen, kumele ngabe ubenani, uhambo oluyi-50, 100 lokuya e-Afrika manje?
Hayes: Cishe isisondele ku-50, kunjalo, ngokuqinisekile kule minyaka eyishumi.
USandy: Kuyamangaza lokho. UStephen Hayes ungumongameli kanye ne-CEO ye-[The] Corporate Council on Africa. UseWashington DC. Usanda kubuya eKenya nase-Ethiopia. Besilokhu sikhuluma kancane mayelana, hhayi kuphela uhambo lwakhe lapho, kodwa ezinye zezinto ezenzeka e-Afrika, hhayi kuphela ukuvakasha kanye nokuvakasha, kodwa kuzo zonke izimboni kanye namathuba [amangalisa]. Manje, ulungiselela ingqungquthela enkulu futhi kwenzeka kuphela ngemva kweminyaka emibili, ngakho kufanele ujabule kakhulu ngayo.
Hayes: Yebo, ukujabula kungenye yezindlela zokuyibeka. Uthukile, unovalo, yebo. Umhlangano webhizinisi omkhulu wase-US-Afrika wanoma yiluphi uhlobo futhi silindele, ngoba useWashington DC kulokhu, silindele ababambiqhaza abangaba ngu-2,000 - osomabhizinisi abavela kulo lonke elaseMelika nase-Afrika. Sesivele sinabo oNobhala BeKhabhinethi ababili abaqinisekisiwe ngalokhu: uNobhala Wezohwebo, ummeli wezohwebo wase-US. Nginethemba elikhulu lokuthi sizoba noNobhala Wezwe futhi, ngethemba, sizoba noMongameli wase-United States naye lapha. Sinomongameli base-Afrika abangaba yishumi asebekuqinisekisile lokhu, futhi. Ngakho-ke, wuhlelo olukhulu ngokomnotho, kwezepolitiki, nangokwenhlalo. Umcimbi webhizinisi obalulekile mayelana nobudlelwano bezomnotho phakathi kwe-US-Afrika. Uma kukhona onentshisekelo [yoku]tshala imali e-Afrika ezindaweni eziningi, kungaba ezokuvakasha, ezamandla, ingqalasizinda, ezempilo, nanoma iyiphi inombolo yemikhakha, kufanele abe kule ngqungquthela ngempela.
Sandy: Manje, lokhu kuzoba ekupheleni kukaSepthemba, akunjalo?
Hayes: Kunjalo. Septhemba 29-Okthoba 1. Kodwa, empeleni lokhu kuzoba isonto lengqungquthela ngezindlela eziningi. Ngaphambi kwengqungquthela yangomhla zingama-28 no-29, senza ngokwehlukana izinkundla zokucobelelana ngolwazi esizibiza ngokuthi “ukungaqhudelani”: Ukwenza Ibhizinisi e-Ethiopia, Ukwenza Ibhizinisi eNigeria, Nokwenza Ibhizinisi e-Angola. Imihlangano yokucobelelana ngolwazi eyingxenye yosuku. Bazokhululeka kunoma ngubani okhokhelwe ukungena engqungqutheleni. Ngakho-ke, lezo zizobaluleka, futhi ngemva kwalokho, sizoba nezimemo kuphela zezingxoxo zamazwe amabili neNingizimu Afrika neNigeria. Engqungqutheleni ngokwayo, sizoba nemihlangano yokucobelelana ngolwazi engama-64, izingxoxo eziningi kanye nezinkulumo ezimbalwa ezinkulu ezivela kulokho esithemba ukuthi kuzoba nguMongameli wase-United States, kodwa ngokuqinisekile kusukela ezingeni lakhe eliphezulu lekhabhinethi, kanjalo ezinye izinhloko zombuso zase-Afrika.
USandy: Ukube ubuyinkampani engaphandle kwe-The Corporate Council in Africa, futhi ubona ukuthi ithuba likhulu kakhulu e-Afrika, yimuphi umkhakha obungawufaka umunwe wakho kuwo?
Hayes: Ngicabanga ukuthi umkhakha webhizinisi lezolimo kanye nomkhakha wezokuvakasha [kuyizindawo] ezimbili lapho izinkampani zaseMelika zingazuza khona ngempela [futhi] lapho nazo zinenzuzo eqhathaniswayo. Wonke amazwe e-Afrika adinga imikhakha eqinile yamabhizinisi ezolimo. Wonke amazwe e-Afrika angakhiqiza ezolimo, futhi sidinga ukuqinisa lobo budlelwano bokuhwebelana, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kunendima yangempela kanye nesidingo sebhizinisi lezolimo lase-US. Ngicabanga ukuthi ezokuvakasha zingenye indawo lapho zinamandla angenamkhawulo, izwe nezwe. Okufanele ngempela kwenzeke, ukuthi ingqalasizinda idinga ukwakhiwa ukuze ezokuvakasha zisebenze futhi zikwazi ukuletha izitshalo emakethe futhi lokho kungenye yezinselelo ezinkulu zase-Afrika, ingqalasizinda nokuntuleka kwayo, nokunye okuningi. ingqungquthela yethu izogxila ekuthuthukiseni leyo ngqalasizinda.
USandy: Uyazi, kuthakazelisa kakhulu uma ukhuluma nge-Angola, ngoba ngangise-Angola futhi, kunjalo, baphuma empini yeminyaka engu-30 mhlawumbe eminyakeni emine noma emihlanu edlule. Ngakho-ke, zisezintsha, kodwa ngenkathi ngilapho, sasinoprofesa abavela eHawaii ababekhuluma futhi beqeqesha abanye babalimi ngokutshala uphayinaphu, futhi kwakujabulisa kakhulu ukubona lokho. Futhi-ke babe nelinye iqembu lapho elaliguqula amabhomu agqitshwayo abe imivini yamagilebhisi futhi balibiza ngokuthi “izimayini zibe imivini.” Ziningi izinto ezinjalo ezenzekayo, huh?
Hayes: Hhayi-ke, i-Angola ingelinye lamazwe achumayo ngempela, futhi akubanga ngengozi ukuthi uNobhala Wezwe ube nakho lokho ohambweni lwakhe, naye. Yizwe elikhulu elinabantu abayizigidi eziyi-13 kuphela, ngakho-ke cishe kunomhlaba ongenamkhawulo ongawusebenzisa, ikakhulukazi, kwezolimo. Futhi, i-Angola izoba ngumkhiqizi wethu omkhulu kawoyela e-Afrika, idlule eNigeria kungekudala. Kubaluleke kakhulu e-United States futhi yizwe elinamandla amakhulu eliqalayo, elisanda kuqala, ukwenza izinto ngendlela efanele.
Sandy: Wow, kuyathakazelisa kakhulu. Uyazi, saba yilungu [le-Corporate Council on Africa] esikhathini esingeside esidlule, futhi ngimane ngishaywe umoya ngalokho engikutholayo mayelana nolwazi lwansuku zonke, Stephen unezisebenzi ezinhle.
Hayes: Ngiyavuma. Ngiyaziqhenya kakhulu ngale zisebenzi. Ngithanda ukutshela abantu baseWashington [ukuthi] ngizobeka lesi sisebenzi ngokumelene nanoma ubani. Kuyizisebenzi ezizinikele kakhulu. Isencane kakhulu futhi [abantu] abanekhono futhi izinikele ngempela ebudlelwaneni base-US-Afrika. Ngicabanga ukuthi nginenhlanhla enkulu. [Ngine] Rhodes Scholars ezimbili nabasebenzi, ngakho-ke ingabasebenzi abahlakaniphile.
Sandy: Impela kunjalo. Futhi manje nawe ukhiphe, futhi lokhu okwamalungu, futhi sizokhuluma ngobulungu, kodwa bengifuna nje ukukuhlekisa ngokuthi nsuku zonke sithola i-Corporate Council on Africa izindaba zansuku zonke, futhi isakazwa ezweni lonke. izwekazi lonke. Futhi nsuku zonke, igcwele izindaba. Wenza umsebenzi omuhle kulokho, futhi.
Hayes: Ngiyabonga. Nokho, i-Daily Clips igxile kwezamabhizinisi kuphela futhi njengoba wazi, Sandy, awuboni nalokho emaphephandabeni. Kunenqwaba yezivumelwano zamabhizinisi ezenziwa e-Afrika lelizwe elingazi nje ngazo. Futhi, ngicabanga ukuthi Iziqeshana zethu Zansuku zonke seziphenduke umthombo ongcono kakhulu wolwazi lwebhizinisi e-Afrika kuleli zwe.
Sandy: Okungcono kakhulu. Ngifuna [uku]khuluma futhi, [mayelana neqiniso lokuthi] wenza inkomfa ngevidiyo. Ngabe kusasa sizoba nengqungquthela yevidiyo yenxusa laseGhana?
Hayes: Kungomhla zingama-28, ngoLwesine oluzayo, ngicabanga ukuthi sekunjalo. Kodwa yebo, nyanga zonke senza inkomfa yevidiyo ebukhoma yamalungu ethu nenxusa laseMelika elikhethiwe e-Afrika. Ingxoxo engekho erekhodini ngezindaba amalungu ethu okungenzeka anazo kanye nokuthi kwenzekani kulelo zwe, futhi isiza amalungu ethu ukuba enze izinqumo ezingcono zokutshala izimali.
Sandy: Impela. Ake sikhulume kancane ngamalungu nokuthi ubani ongaba yilungu, futhi ingabe kufanele ube yilungu ukuze ube sengqungqutheleni ebesikhuluma ngayo [okungukuthi] ekupheleni kukaSepthemba?
Hayes: Ake siqale ngokuhlehla. Cha, akudingekile ukuba ube yilungu. Kufanele nje ukwazi ukukhokha. Amalungu, ngokusobala, athola amanani aphansi emicimbini enjalo, kodwa ingqungquthela ivuleleke kubo bonke abanesithakazelo esiqotho e-Afrika futhi abanesithakazelo esiqotho emathubeni okutshalwa kwezimali. Uma uzimisele nge-Afrika, ungonga isamba esikhulu semali ngokuya engqungqutheleni. Futhi, ngikusho lokho ngoba, ngaphansi kwethikithi lendiza eya e-Afrika, ungahlangana nanoma iyiphi inombolo, cishe [inombolo] engenamkhawulo yabaholi base-Afrika, oNgqongqoshe base-Afrika, abenzi bezinqumo, osomabhizinisi, [kanye] nalabo abangaba ozakwethu abavela eMelika. . Kodwa-ke, uma uzimisele, futhi uma kunjalo, ngicabanga ukuthi kuyisinqumo esingcono kakhulu ongasithatha.
Sandy: Yazi uma ukhuluma ngokuza kongqongqoshe ngiqonde ukuthi laba bantu basezingeni leKhabhinethi abazobe bekhona, ngiyacabanga ungaxhumana nabo mathupha.
Hayes: Yebo, kunjalo. Noma yimuphi usomabhizinisi ojwayelekile angahlala lapho [futhi] akhulume nomunye wongqongqoshe bakahulumeni. Yebo, bayikhabhinethi. Leyo yincazelo yokuthi ungqongqoshe kahulumeni wase-Afrika uyilungu elisezingeni lekhabhinethi. Futhi, sizoba nongqongqoshe okungenani abayi-100 abavela ezindaweni ezihlukahlukene nasemazweni nemikhakha. IMinistry of Trade izoba khona impela, ongqongqoshe bezempilo, ongqongqoshe bezokuvakasha, njalo njalo.
Sandy: Amazing. Ake sikhulume kancane ngobulungu, ingabe ikhona imibandela oyibhekayo ukuze ube yilungu?
Hayes: Yebo, ngokuyisisekelo, uma uyibhizinisi futhi unehhovisi e-United States, ukuba khona ngokomzimba. Ngamanye amazwi, akudingekile ukuba ube yinkampani yase-US, ngokwesibonelo, kodwa uma unomzimba e-United States. Isibonelo, i-Standard Bank of Africa iyilungu le-CCA. Liyibhange elikhulu kunawo wonke e-Afrika, elizinze eNingizimu Afrika, kodwa linamahhovisi e-United States, ngakho lingajoyina i-CCA, futhi selikwenzile. Ngakho, ubulungu kungokwamabhizinisi. Ngicabanga ukuthi umuntu angaziveza ukuthi uyibhizinisi, kodwa kusazodingeka akhokhe inani lobulungu elifana nelanoma yiliphi elinye ibhizinisi.
Sandy: Ngaphandle kokuthola iziqeshana, iziqeshana ze-CCA nsuku zonke, kanye nenkomfa yevidiyo, ingabe kukhona okunye ongakwengeza ebulungwini?
Hayes: Senza imicimbi engaphezu kuka-100 ngonyaka. Sineqembu elisebenzayo lezokuphepha. Akumele ube seWashington ukuze uthamele lokho. Ungakwenza lokho nge-teleconference noma ngokushaya ucingo futhi ube lapho. Kodwa, sineqembu elisebenzayo lezokuphepha, sineqembu elisebenzayo lengqalasizinda elihlangana nyanga zonke, sinomhlangano wemboni yezempilo nyanga zonke, [kanye] nokunye, [kanye] nezingqungquthela. Siphinde sibe nezinsiza zocwaningo. Uma ilungu lidinga ucwaningo ngendawo ethile yemakethe, sizoba nabasebenzi abazobhala lelo phepha, [futhi] basebenze phezu kwabo bese beluleka. Ngisho nasezinkampanini ezinkulu, zivame ukuba nobunzima ekutholeni imihlangano nabantu. Sizomisa [ngokwesibonelo], uma udinga umhlangano neNxusa laseNigeria, futhi unecala elihle ngakho, sizobe sesiwumisa lowo mhlangano. Amanxusa avame ukusihlonipha futhi asilalele, futhi singangena kalula kakhulu kunezinkampani eziningi zemihlangano enjalo. Uma udinga iseluleko ngokuya ezweni, udinga iseluleko sokuthi uhlangane nobani, sizokutholela lokho, futhi. Uma kungenjalo, ngokungajoyini i-CCA, futhi uzama ukukwenza ngokwakho, ungaya, ukusho, noma yiliphi izwe futhi ungabi nombono omncane wokuthi lisebenza kanjani, ubani ongabona, [noma] lapho ukuya khona. Umosha isikhathi esiningi nemali eningi. Ngithi uma unentshisekelo nge-Afrika, ukutshala imali e-Afrika, ubulungu ku-CCA kungenye yezinto ezinhle kakhulu ongaba nazo. Kodwa uma ungeke usisebenzise, noma kunjalo, umosha imali yakho. Ngakho-ke, uma umuntu esijoyina, kufanele azibophezele ekusisebenziseni.
USandy: Engikuthanda ngakho [ukuthi] kufana nokuba nozakwethu ngaphandle kokwabelana ngokulingana.
Hayes: Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi kunjalo. Kuyizisebenzi ezinwetshiwe. Kushibhe kakhulu kunalokho ongakhokhela umuntu oyedwa oyisisebenzi ukuthi akwenzele lokho abangakwenzela khona abangama-30.
Sandy: Impela. Uqinisile impela. Ngabe uya e-Afrika futhi ngaphambi kwengqungquthela ngasekupheleni kukaSepthemba?
Hayes: Cha. Ngeke ngisaya ndawo manje. Angithathi ngisho iholidi kuze kube ngemva kwengqungquthela.
Sandy: Hhayi-ke, bengizobuza, njalo uma ngikhuluma nawe, uke waya e-Afrika futhi akulona uhambo olufushane. Ngisho ukuthi, kukhulu kunokuya eLondon noma eParis. Kukhulu lokhu. Njengomhambi, futhi bengifuna nje ukungena ekhanda lakho kuleyo ngxenye yayo, noma yiluphi uhlobo [lwezeluleko] ongaba nalo kubahambi abaya e-Afrika?
Hayes: Uyazi, bekezela. Lokho kungaba iseluleko sokuqala. Izikhumulo zezindiza aziyona ikhwalithi efanayo njengesibonelo. Baminyene kancane. Kufanele nje ubekezele kodwa futhi, futhi, ulungiselele kusenesikhathi. Qiniseka ukuthi unomuntu ozohlangana nawe esikhumulweni sezindiza, hhayi kakhulu ngenxa yezizathu zokuphepha, kodwa ngenxa yezizathu zokukhululeka nokukwazi ukuhambahamba kakhulu. Ngakho-ke, udinga ukwenza amalungiselelo kakhudlwana. Awukwazi ukuvele undize uye edolobheni kalula e-Afrika ngendlela efanayo ongandizela ngayo e-London futhi uzulazule. Kuyajabulisa kakhulu uma wenza, kunjalo, kodwa kungase kube injabulo engaphezu kwalokho oyifunayo noma oyidingayo.
USandy: Kulungile, futhi uma ulapho ngebhizinisi, ufuna ukungena ebhizinisini, ngakho-ke esinye isici salo futhi.
Hayes: Kunjalo, kunjalo.
Sandy: Yebo, njengenjwayelo, sisijabulele kakhulu isikhathi sethu nawe. Ungakholwa ukuthi kuhamba ngokushesha okungaka?
Hayes: Nami ngokunjalo.
Sandy: Yebo, sinakho, futhi sizokubamba ngokumelene nenyanga ezayo. Sibheke ngabomvu ukuba nawe eWashington DC ekupheleni kukaSepthemba engqungqutheleni. Simema wonke umuntu olalele ukuthi abuke, eze kusizindalwazi, axhumanise nohlelo lwaleli sonto, uzobona isithombe sikaStephen, isixhumanisi seCCA, [The] Corporate Council on Africa kanye, Yebo, uzothola ulwazi olwengeziwe ngale ngqungquthela emangalisayo. Futhi kwenzeka njalo ngemva kweminyaka emibili, ngakho ungakubeki phansi lokho. Kufanele uwuthamele nathi. Ngiyabonga, Stephen. Sizokhuluma nawe maduze.
Hayes: Kulungile, ngiyabonga Sandy.
Sandy: Ngiyabonga kakhulu.
