Ongijoyina manje ngivela e-Sharm el-Sheikh, e-Egypt, unguMphathi we-USAID, owayeyiNxusa le-UN, uSamantha Power - kanye noMongameli eNgqungqutheleni Yomhlaba Wonke Yesimo Sezulu [2022 United Nations Climate Change Conference, aka. I-COP27]. Siyabonga kakhulu Ambassador Power ngokuba nathi. UMongameli Biden uza eNgqungqutheleni Yesimo Sezulu ngemuva kokuthi i-US kanye nezinye izizwe ezithuthukile zigxekwe wumhlaba wonke ngokudala ukushintsha kwesimo sezulu. UMongameli uchaza ukuthi i-US yenzani. Ingabe ukhathazekile ukuthi uma amaRiphabhulikhi elawula iCongress, lokhu kungaba ucezu lokugcina lokushintsha kwesimo sezulu kwalokhu kuphatha?
UMPHATHI SAMANTHA AMANDLA: Okokuqala, ake ngisho, Andrea, ukuthi ngenkathi uMongameli efika e-COP ngonyaka odlule - eNgqungqutheleni Yesimo Sezulu ngonyaka odlule - wakwazi ukukhuluma ngeMelika ebuyayo, ebuyela esivumelwaneni saseParis, ebuyela emizamweni yokunqanda ngokumangazayo. ukukhishwa kwekhabhoni lapho bekunokuhlehliswa okukhulu kwemithethonqubo eyayibekwe eminyakeni ka-Obama. Kulo nyaka, uzofika esethole utshalomali oluyizigidi eziyizinkulungwane ezingama-368 ekulweni nokuguquguquka kwesimo sezulu. Futhi ungakwazi nje - akugugi, lapha engqungqutheleni yesimo sezulu - ungezwa cishe umoya, futhi, njengoba abantu bebanga ukuthi kusho ukuthini lokho. Ngoba kubalulekile, hhayi kuphela mayelana ne-United States yehlisa ukukhishwa kwekhabhoni futhi ihlangabezane nezinhloso zayo zaseParis ezibekiwe, esikwaziyo, ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, sidinga ukwenza isifiso esikhulu futhi sisheshise. Kodwa ngokwenza - ngokwenza lokho kutshalwa kwezimali okukhulu ekhaya - kuzokwehlisa amanani yonke indawo. Futhi lokho kuzosho i-solar eyengeziwe, umoya owengeziwe, ukufinyelela okwengeziwe ezintweni ezivuselelekayo ngentengo eshibhile, ezindaweni nazo ezifaka isandla kakhulu ekukhiqizweni kwegesi.
Futhi-ke, ohlangothini lokuzivumelanisa nezimo, ngokusobala, ukuguquka kwesimo sezulu kuphezu kwethu. Ngike ngahamba muva nje - ezinyangeni ezimbalwa ezedlule - kokubili ngiya eSomalia, okuyisizini yesihlanu ilandelana yemvula engaphumelelanga, okuyinto engakaze ibonwe emlandweni orekhodiwe, kanye nePakistan, ingxenye yesithathu yayo egcine ingaphansi kwamanzi ngenxa yezikhukhula ezingakaze zibonwe ngaphambili, ukuncibilika. izinguzunga zeqhwa ezihlangene, futhi, izimvula zemvula ezinamandla okungakaze kubonwe muntu ngaphambili.
Ngakho-ke, ingxenye yalokho uMongameli Biden azibophezele kukho kulo nyaka, futhi, ukukhulisa uxhaso lwethu lwalokho okubizwa ngokuthi ukuzivumelanisa nezimo, ukusiza amazwe avumelane nezimo eziphuthumayo zesimo sezulu esezikhona kakade, njengoba sisheshisa imizamo yethu yokwehlisa umoya.
U-ANDREA MITCHELL we-MSNBC Ubika: Ube iqhawe lomgwaqo ngempela kulobu kuphatha. Bengilokhu ngilandelela uhambo lwakho - e-Ukraine, kaningi, usanda kufika uvela eLebanon, ugxile ekuphakeleni kokudla kanye nodaba lukaPutin okubikwa ukuthi uyasisekela isivumelwano sokusanhlamvu, ukuthekelisa okusanhlamvu oLwandle Olumnyama, ngalokho kuvimbekile. Kuningi okusengcupheni kodwa impi yase-Ukraine inyuse ingcindezi eNtshonalanga Yurophu ukuthi iqhubeke nokuthembela kuphethiloli wezinto ezimbiwa phansi - kunokugxekwa okuningi kokuthi i-US kuzomele ithembele emafutheni ezinto ezimbiwa phansi isikhathi eside kunalokho ebingathanda ukukwenza. ngenxa yempi. Ukubona kanjani konke lokhu kuguquka?
AMANDLA OMPHATHI: Ngicabanga ukuthi, esikhathini esifushane, ngokusobala amazwe abhekene nokungavikeleki kwamandla okubalulekile.
Amazwe akhathazekile ngokuthi azohamba kanjani ebusika, akhathazekile ngalezi zindleko ezimba eqolo zikaphethiloli, namanani akhokhiswa uPutin, hhayi uPutin kuphela, njengoba ukunikezwa kuncipha ngamabomu emakethe yomhlaba, ngaleyo ndlela kushayela. kwenyusa amanani.
Kodwa engikubonile, ngize ngikhulume neLebanon - akulona izwe esicabanga ngalo kulesi simo, kodwa ngenxa yokuthi amanani kaphethiloli aphakeme kakhulu futhi ugesi uyindlala kakhulu futhi ulinganiselwe ezweni lapho into enjalo yayingacatshangwa ngaphambi komnotho wamanje. inkinga lapho. Manje sibona inkanuko yelanga eyayingakaze ibe khona ngaphambili. Futhi ngenxa yokuthi i-solar eyengeziwe yenziwa ezindaweni eziningi, amanani entengo ayehla - ngakho-ke uzobona imiphakathi eminingi, kanye nezinkampani ezizimele, kanye nohulumeni, ngomqondo othile bevota ngezinyawo zabo. Futhi le ntengo ephakeme, esikhathini esifushane, kuphethiloli, futhi njengoba usho, ngisho nokuthembela kwesikhashana noma ukubuyela kukhabhoni, ngendlela elimazayo, ngokungangabazeki, emvelweni. Kodwa akekho okhululekile ngalokho kwencika. Impela, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kusanda kujula futhi kwanweba isifunda ukuthi sisuke ekuncikeni kumuntu ofana noPutin.
MS. MITCHELL: Ubuse-Ukraine, futhi, lapho amasosha ase-Ukraine namuhla ngokusho kukaMongameli Zelenskyy engene eKherson, iphuzu elibucayi - ibutho laseRussia lihlehlile kuleyo nqaba. U-Putin uthathe isinqumo sokungafiki ngisho naku-G20 lapho kuzofanele abhekane nabaholi bomhlaba, lapho ehlukaniswe khona ngempela nomphakathi womhlaba, ezinhlanganweni ezihlanganisa amazwe amaningi - ngokuya ngokuya. Une-veto eMkhandlwini Wezokuphepha we-UN, ukwazi lokhu kangcono kunanoma ubani owayeyinxusa. Kodwa ulahlekelwe ngempela ku-General Assembly kanye ne-UN, ngokubhala okukhulu, akunjalo?
AMANDLA OMPHATHI: Nakanjani. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ukushaywa kokudla kuye kwafeza indima enkulu kanye neqiniso lokuthi, yebo, izwe ngalinye eliyilungu leNhlangano Yezizwe Ezihlangene linesithakazelo ekuphakamiseni izwi lalo ngokumelene nobudlova obungacwaswanga nonya lwalolu hlobo. Ngoba wonke amazwe eNhlangano Yezizwe ayacabanga, “kuthiwani uma othile engenza lokho kimi, lokho bekuzozizwa kanjani?”
Banentshisekelo kumthetho wamazwe ngamazwe kanye nobuqotho bendawo obugcinwayo. Baphinde banentshisekelo yokwehlisa amanani okudla futhi cishe yonke into eyenziwe nguPutin inyuse amanani okudla, amanani kaphethiloli kanye namanani kamanyolo. Ngakho-ke, lokho akumenzi abangane bakhe emhlabeni jikelele. Kodwa futhi, lokho amabutho akhe abhekana nakho enkundleni yempi - lokho akulona uhlobo lwenkundla yempi uPutin angathanda ukuyiletha engqungqutheleni yamazwe ngamazwe. Iqiniso lokuthi amabutho aseRussia ahlulwe empini yaseKyiv, impi yaseKharkiv, manje impi yaseKherson - lokho akufaki kubantu baseRussia uhlobo lokuziqhenya uPutin aye waqhosha ngokuthi nguyena ozokubuyisela. iRussian Federation. Ngakho lesi kube yisikhathi esinzima. Kodwa ngizothi, Andrea, esikwaziyo kuyo yonke indawo ekhululwe e-Ukraine ukuthi kukhona lezi zigcawu ezijabulisayo, futhi zihamba ngendlela emangalisayo. Ngicabanga ukuthi umuntu angachitha usuku lonke ebuka nje izingane nogogo bephuma futhi babingelele lawo masosha ebona kungekuphela nje ifulegi lase-Ukraine likhuphuka, kodwa ifulegi le-European Union likhuphuka edolobheni laseKherson. Ngesikhathi esifanayo, siyazi ukuthi njengoba amabutho aseRussia ehoxa, sifunda kabanzi ngomonakalo owenziwe phakathi nomsebenzi. Ngakho-ke, thina, e-USAID kanye nohulumeni wase-US, sisebenzisana nabalingani bethu phansi ukuze sibhale phansi ubugebengu bempi esaziyo manje ukuthi azodalulwa, njengoba abantu base-Ukrainian bephinde baqinise ubukhona babo lapho.
MS. MITCHELL: Njengoba wawuqala umsebenzi wakho, ubhala ngokushukumisayo e-Bosnia mayelana nokuqothulwa kohlanga. Ingabe ukholelwa ngempela ukuthi kuyoba khona ukuziphendulela ngenxa yezinto ezesabekayo zase-Ukraine?
AMANDLA OMPHATHI: Hhayi-ke, engingakusho ukuthi abantu base-Ukraine benze zonke izinhlobo zezinto kuze kube manje akekho obekholelwa ukuthi kungenzeka. Ochwepheshe yonke indawo, kuhlanganise nalabo abasondelene kakhulu noPutin, ababecabanga ukuthi bazokwazi ukunqoba lokhu, ngokushesha okukhulu. Ngingakwazi futhi ukudweba kokuhlangenwe nakho kwami - njengoba ushilo e-Bosnia - lapho kungekho muntu owayecabanga ukuthi kuzoba khona ukuziphendulela ngamacala empi lapho, noma ukuthi uSlobodan Milošević, u-Ratko Mladić, laba bafana babezogcina bevalelwe. Impilo yinde, bhala ubufakazi, sungula ubufakazi be-forensic, futhi uqhubeke - esimweni sase-United States, ukusekela ukuphepha kwabantu, imizamo yezomnotho, kanye nemibhalo yobugebengu bempi phansi, futhi izinto zingashintsha ngokushesha kakhulu.
MS. MITCHELL: USamantha Power sibheka futhi izithombe ezibukhoma, izithombe zabanqobi benkululeko ka-Kherson. Futhi ngifuna ukusho ukuthi kuyanyakaza, naphezu kokuqhunyiswa kwebhomu kukhaphethi, naphezu kwakho konke okwesabekayo abahlangabezane nakho - futhi ube yindinganiso lapho ukuqina kwalaba bantu nabantu emhlabeni jikelele njengoba uhamba. , emhlabeni jikelele, iminyaka emibili edlule. Kade sibuka, siyabonga kakhulu. Ngiyabonga okwenzayo.
AMANDLA OMPHATHI: Ngiyabonga, Andrea. Ngiyabonga.
